The amazing Beth Allison Barr is joining me today to talk about women and the history of the church.

One of the funniest things I often see when I go on Amazon and look up The Great Sex Rescue is the books that are recommended next to it. 

Three Books Together

It seems like people who buy The Great Sex Rescue really like Beth’s book–and they really like Kristin Kobes Du Mez’s book too (and she was on the podcast earlier this year!). 

In The Making of Biblical Womanhood, Beth, who is a historian, traces how what we think of as the biblical role of women is actually a relatively new creation. Women in medieval times have largely been erased from church history–but they were very active and played a variety of roles. 

But over the centuries, the church has tried to enforce a view of women that keeps women thinking that they are only here to play side roles while they serve men.

It’s time, Beth says, to set us all free.

Or, as always, you can watch on YouTube:


Timeline of the Podcast

0:30 We’re almost at 1,000,000!
2:00 Beth joins us!
3:00 Definitions for the discussion, and Beth’s backstory
8:00 Sheila’s own experience in the church
12:00 The changes in the argument over time
18:20 Let’s talk History!
27:45 Woman are not defined by ‘wife and mother’
37:40 Eternal subordination debate
49:45 Beth’s journey through various feedback

Main Segment: The Making of Biblical Womanhood


The Making of Biblical Womanhood

We talked about all of my favourite parts of the book–and I read out some of the quotes that I found so very powerful. 

But we also talked about how to handle pushback, some of the controversies in the church right now, and where we go from here. 

I loved this discussion, and this was my first time actually talking with Beth, after interacting with her so much online. 

Would you like to hear me talk with Beth again–and with Kristin Kobes Du Mez as well?

We’re doing a special event–Tea and Tent Pegs–December 6 and 9 pm EST!

Tea and Tent Pegs

Kristin, Beth and I will be talking about our books, the change that is coming, and what we see happening on the ground.

And the Tent Peg reference is from the Old Testament story of Jael killing Sisera–because Sisera underestimated a woman. It’s found in Judges 4! A woman is smashing the head of the enemies of God.

Unlike other podcasts you may have heard us on, though, we’re not just talking about our own books. We’ll be talking about each other’s. So instead of just hearing about The Great Sex Rescue from me (you already know all my sound bites!),  you’ll hear what stood out to Beth and Kristin. You’ll hear what surprised me about Kristin’s book (especially as a Canadian), or what Kristin thought about Beth’s. And Devi Abraham, from the amazing Where Do We Go from Here podcast, will be hosting!

It’s a FREE event, and you can listen LIVE (we hope you do; there will be door prizes and more!), or you can watch the recording afterwards.

incidentally, I only posted about this TWICE yesterday, and it is filling up fast. We’re already about 1/3 towards the max of the 3000 people who can attend. So sign up today! (If you don’t manage to register, the replay will still be available, but we’ll likely have to charge a small amount for it.)

Would you like to sponsor Tea and Tent Pegs?

We’ll have about 3000 super engaged attendees, and if you’d like to ask about sponsorship, leave a comment and I’ll email you back! Or just send us an email here. 

Things Mentioned in This Podcast:

  • Our amazing sponsor Femallay! It’s a Christian company focused on helping women thrive, with cloth menstrual pads, menstrual cups, balancing teas, and my favourite–vaginal melts!
  • Our Patreon: Join for as little as $5 a month, and get access to our exclusive Facebook group, unfiltered podcasts, merchandise, and more! The funds raised do not go to support this blog but instead to support Joanna and Rebecca as they get our research published in peer-reviewed journals and branch out into new social media that I can’t monetize
  • Beth Allison Barr’s book The Making of Biblical Womanhood, and my book The Great Sex Rescue
  • Lucy Maud Montgomery’s short story The Strike at Putney
The Making of Biblical Womanhood with Beth Allison Barr

Have you read The Making of Biblical Womanhood? What do you think of how the justification for keeping women as appendages to men has changed over the centuries? What can we do to “go, and be free” as Beth said? Let’s talk in the comments!

Sheila Wray Gregoire

Sheila Wray Gregoire

Founder of To Love, Honor and Vacuum

Sheila is determined to help Christians find BIBLICAL, HEALTHY, EVIDENCE-BASED help for their marriage. And in doing so, she's turning the evangelical world on its head, challenging many of the toxic teachings, especially in her newest book The Great Sex Rescue. She’s an award-winning author of 8 books and a sought-after speaker. With her humorous, no-nonsense approach, Sheila works with her husband Keith and daughter Rebecca to create podcasts and courses to help couples find true intimacy. Plus she knits. All the time. ENTJ, straight 8

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