What if the relationship is what is killing your husband’s sex drive?
We’ve been talking about marriages where the wife has the higher libido this week. Often, higher libido simply means that she’s on the higher end of average libido, and he’s on the lower end of average libido. But it can also mean that while the wife has a normally functioning libido, her husband’s libido is almost completely gone.
We’ve talked about porn and a husband’s libido, and we’ve talked about ED killing a man’s libido, but what about the relationship aspect?
Today we have Stephen Snyder, author of Love Worth Making: How to have ridiculously great sex in a long-lasting relationship, on the blog talking about how sometimes a husband’s lack of a sex drive is a symptom of a greater dysfunction in the marriage.
Check it out:
The first thing David tells me when he sits down in my office is that he’s only here because his wife Gwen insisted on it.
“She’s going to divorce me,” he says, “unless I start initiating sex.”
David is a handsome man with a good-natured smile. Given the situation, he looks surprisingly relaxed.
David tells me his wife found my name online.
“Is she going to join us?” I ask.
“No. She insisted I see you alone.”
“Why?”
“She says she’s tired of trying to fix me.”
Hmm. That doesn’t sound good.
Who’s more likely to eventually lose desire in a marriage—the man or the woman? Most people would say it’s the woman. But as a sex therapist, in the past decade or two I’ve noticed a shift. Now when a couple comes to see me, it’s very often the man who’s gone missing in bed.
“Are you still physically attracted to her?” I ask David. He says he is, and that when they have sex he still gets turned on.
“So what happens when you try to initiate sex?”
“That’s the problem,” he says. “It’s like there’s this invisible force field that stops me.”
“Any idea what that’s about?”
“Not really. All day long at work, I’ll be thinking about how when I get home I’m going to start something up with her. But the closer I get to home, the less I feel like it.”
“Why? What happens?”
“I don’t know. She’s usually complaining about one thing or another. She works hard. But I work hard too, and after a long day I really don’t feel like listening to her complain.”
He shifts in the chair. “Most of the time, I end up just shutting her out.”
“I assume she doesn’t like that very much.”
“Yeah, she hates it. She never stops talking about how I never pay her any attention.”
He stops for a moment and looks around the room.
“To tell you the truth, I don’t think she likes me very much anymore.”
What Men Really Want
Don’t men automatically want sex? Well, for the most part we do tend to be fairly simple that way. But in a marriage, there are other things we need just as much.
You know how most women need to feel desired?
Most men need to feel welcomed.
There’s a certain smile a woman wears when she’s really pleased —a big, welcoming smile of pleasure that says, “Hey, I’m so glad you showed up! Come on in!!”
When a couple is just getting started, she usually smiles at him a lot. The trouble often starts when he first sees her disappointed or unhappy. Especially if he’s caused it.
We men tend to hear any female unhappiness as criticism. That puts us in a bit of a bind, since we’re ordinarily expected not to just pout or cry if we feel criticized or under-appreciated. Instead, we’ll usually just try to adopt as confident a pose as we can and hope the hurt feelings will pass.
That tends not to work so well. Eventually, out of desperation, a man who feels criticized or unaccepted will usually just withdraw. Which of course only tends to cause more mischief:
He feels criticized, so he withdraws.
This makes her angry, and even more critical of him.
He withdraws further—and so on, and so on.
When he withdraws emotionally, he’ll often withdraw sexually too. Which she’ll of course usually interpret to mean he doesn’t desire her anymore.
A wife who no longer feels desired will almost never show her husband that special welcoming smile of hers. Which of course he’ll take to mean that it’s no longer safe to approach her. Which of course is totally nuts, since the only reason she never smiles anymore is because he hasn’t touched her in a month—but that’s the way these things tend to go.
By the time it’s gotten to this point, he’s usually lost all confidence in his ability to make her happy. He may try to make the best of the situation, by being good to her in other ways. Or he may regress to silly, childish behavior—like telling stupid jokes, or pulling pranks. He may just try to act like everything’s OK. But he and she both know these are all just poses—and that underneath he’s in despair because his confidence is gone.
Can This Marriage Be Saved?
Let’s look more closely at the situation above. She’s not feeling desired by him. And he feels hopeless about pleasing her. That’s obvious, right? What’s less obvious, is that they’ve both become so needy that they’ve ceased to function well as individuals.
One of the things people tend to expect when they first get married is that their partner will provide them with unqualified support and approval. But that tends not to last very long. Even the most ideally-matched couples sooner or later find themselves facing some degree of disappointment. Sooner or later the well of unconditional positive regard runs dry. It’s normal to feel terrified, insecure, and even angry when you realize your spouse doesn’t always like everything about you. When that happens, though, the key thing is to take a deep breath and begin to take more responsibility for your own emotional needs.
That might sound unromantic—but it’s actually much more romantic, if you do it right.
For David, who’d stopped initiating sex because he felt Gwen didn’t like him anymore, the first step was to realize how much power he’d given Gwen over his self-esteem. He decided to take a deep breath whenever he felt criticized by her, rather than just reacting or withdrawing. Once he stopped giving her so much power over his self-regard, she began to respect him a lot more. At that point, they were on their way to a better marriage.
There are many other reasons a man might go missing in bed—from low testosterone, to depression, to compulsive porn use. But very often a sexual road-block like David and Gwen’s is just a symptom of something more ordinary: two normal people, neither of whom have figured out yet how to strike the right balance between emotional togetherness and emotional independence.
That can take awhile to figure out. But once you do, it’s totally worth it.
So glad Stephen allowed me to share that! I know it may get many women’s backs up, but I hope you will listen and just ask yourself if the way you’re interacting has become toxic. I don’t think we realize how much our unhappiness sounds like criticism to him, but it does. Because men want to be able to fix things, they assume that when we’re unhappy, it’s because they haven’t done their job. I’m not saying we have to force ourselves to be happy; simply that maybe we need to take responsibility for some of our own feelings, too.
What do you think? Have you ever seen this dynamic in your marriage–or in a marriage that you know? Let’s talk in the comments!
I agree entirely, and I’ve heard this from men as well. Well spoken, Dr. Snyder!
Both are unhealthy. Women dumping all their negative emotions in their husands isnt right. We need to find a way to deal with our emotions, they shouldnt rule our lives. Counseling can help to understand our emotions and will show us ways to deal with them in a more healthy way. And just because a man is a man, doesnt mean he has the right to feel criticized by his wifes bad mood. He needs to learn that he is not that powerful. Its a type of negative narcissism where you focus on yourself far too much, but on the negative aspects of yourself. If your wifes bad mood triggers you in this way, then its your responsibility to learn how to respond to that in a more healthy way. Counseling can help to find the root cause of your feeling responsible for everything. In both cases its usually the projection of certain parent-child experiences that get triggered later on in life in our other relationships. Once we find the root cause for our behavior, we can learn how to break free of it.
I agree A, husbands shouldn’t feel so sensitive about things when they have actually done something wrong. It’s not all about them. They have to not be so proud, apologize and try and remember next time instead of feeling so down on themselves. I think it is caused by parental volatility when they were young.
If a person is always negative to their spouse it will turn the person away. I know in my whole life I don’t like someone knocking me especially if I am doing my best. What men need these days is encouraging words. Men already have it bad with what the media portray for men. l strive daily to build up my wife no matter what. I also believe some get caught up with comparing their Sex life to their friends and that can cause problems. Thanks
Nagging and harping are also good ED inducers. I do find it strange that more wives don’t figure this out. You can’t nag a guy all day and expect him to be sexually interested in you. I heard a woman say once that women nag out of fear. My response: fear of what? A happy narriage?! Ya, nagging will get the socks off the floor, nag him long enough and he will do just about anything to get you to stop. But you shouldn’t complain when your marriage goes sexless.
The point I think they were trying to make is that he perceived nagging whether she was venting or nagging – it all was perceived as nagging to him. She needs to learn to be less negative or aware of the effect of all that negative energy on others around her and he needs to realize that women need to vent and let it roll because guess what – it is not a criticism of you or nagging you. Its not about you. Thats the point. Women need to vent, men fix things/problem solve. When women wants to vent he personalizes it as he thinks she is asking him to fix a problem (and when he can’t he feels hurt and failed and gets angry at her and the perceived ‘pressure’ she is putting on him that ironically he is putting on himself) when all she wants is to vent without him personalizing it. Nagging however is a libido killer for both gender. Yeah in my experience men and women nag. But its seen as a ‘female’ trait’, I wonder if the above common misinterpretation is why.
I caught this in my marriage. I need help raising our kids, dealing with household issues, etc…… and he didn’t want to do anything (he thinks working and making money is “enough” and the rest is on me. Maybe you should write an article on that mentality and how I’m supposed to deal with that?) So I would complain to him a lot.
I realized it didn’t do anything, and that I was on my own, so I stopped talking to him about it. I wanted us to have a better relationship. So, I stopped complaining.
But he hasn’t changed, and his behavior hasn’t changed. And in the meantime, I’m resentful because I literally have NOTHING to talk to him about. He doesn’t want to listen to ANYTHING anyways. Even when I talk about good things, he just zones out.
And I feel like I don’t have a partner in any way, shape or form.
We can’t talk because my LIFE is the home. My LIFE is dealing with EVERYTHING. I don’t have much “fun stuff” to talk about. I have things that I love, but he doesn’t (I like working out, ju jitsu and history, reading and doing projects around the house) so I can just be talking about my day, and it can be construed as complaining. I see it as sharing, he sees it as complaining. I can’t win.
YES! Crystal! No matter WHAT I say or HOW I say it, I’m complaining, griping, b******g, trying to manipulate him into doing something, forcing my will. That is how my husband perceives it. In his mind if I’m talking then it’s negative. When in actuality I’m just speaking, trying to have or start a conversation. I just want to have a conversation with another adult, preferably my husband, the father of my children. I realize he works all day at a stressful job and is very tired BUT even when he is not it is such minimal conversation it’s driving me insane. I stay home 24/7 with our 7 children. Granted when it’s not summer break 4 are in school but I’m starved for the an intimate connection with him. This got long! Sorry but I needed to vent!
I feel very much the same. Not sure what to do about it. When I try to share a struggle I get comments like “I hate your insecurities.” He doesn’t want to hear even the good things because then he feels threatened or something. I don’t feel safe in conversation with him. He doesn’t talk to me about much of anything.
The missing factor is how can we wives vent without dumping all over him and distancing him? I did not see the problem as a wife who is complaining all the time about everything but a wife who is working just as hard as her hubby needing a safe place to let it out that she is stressed. Not all of us have close enough friends and extended family to vent to girlfriend or mothers.
This is a REALLY good question, Colleen! You’re right, sometimes we do need to vent, and the problem is that then our husbands interpret that as meaning they have to fix something which is unfixable.
But perhaps we could also pair that with gratitude? I do find that when I’m exhausted or especially overwhelmed, gratitude is the answer. “Give thanks in everything,” as Paul said. When you can find things to be grateful for, it does change your perspective. I think the issue here is that the wife was ONLY negative. Everybody’s negative sometimes, but if we could pair that with, “but here’s what I’m thankful for, and I’m not expecting you to fix anything, I just need you to listen for a minute”, maybe that would help?
That’s very true, Colleen. I really need that connection as I am on the other side of the world from family and childhood friends I grew up with. It’s hard.
I’d like this article a lot better if the author also addressed David’s bad attitude about listening to his wife. It was pretty unclear whether his wife was complaining about HIM when he walked through the door or just eager to share and vent about her day. If it’s the first scenario, then of course he’s going to start shutting her out. If it’s the second, then HE is the one who needs to find a way to give his wife his full attention while still maintaining his sanity. Shutting someone out because you just don’t feel like you should have to listen is totally rude and childish behavior. When you marry someone you have to be ok with the fact that you will have to converse with that person on a daily basis. About pretty much everything including the negative stuff. That’s what sharing your life with someone entails.
If the wife likes to talk and vent about her day, then the husband should happily listen. If he struggles with the amount of time his wife goes on, then he should be honest and say, “honey, I love that you feel so close to me that you want to tell me all about your day, and I genuinely want to hear about it, but after work my brain is fried and I struggle to pay attention to a long conversation. How about we start playing a game where we set a timer for you and then for me and each of us tells the other about our day and try to do it by the time the timer goes off.” They could even come up with a reward if they both finish in time. Have fun together for Pete’s sake! This will get him talking more and her less. And if she is offended by this idea, she needs to grow some thicker skin. Eventually they will probably forget about the timer and simply talk.
And honestly, if he has always shut her out when she wants to talk and he doesn’t want to listen, no wonder she turned into a nut job about trying to fix him. It doesn’t excuse her behavior, but it isn’t surprising. A wife shouldn’t bend over backwards to be all chipper and lovey dovey when her husband stares off into space like a lifeless zombie whenever she tries to have a simple conversation. No, she shouldn’t use him as her only outlet if she needs to talk all the time about every single little thing. But he needs to realize that when they got married he agreed to being one of those outlets for her as well as a support system.
And I grew up in a home with a mother who had some very toxic ways of interacting with my dad as well as with us. She would nag (genuine nagging), gave a lot of criticism that I believe she thought was constructive but was definitely deconstructive, gave the silent treatment for days if someone made her mad, and so on. I love the woman and she could also be very pleasant, but she had those tendencies that made her hard to live with at times. And I could tell how miserable my dad was when she got that way. My point is that I totally 100% agree with the message behind this article, I’m just not particularly fond of the example given because that guy honestly sounded like a giant man-child when he was talking about shutting his wife out (if she was just genuinely wanting to talk and vent about her day that is) and I feel like the author should have addressed the husband’s failings in the relationship as well rather than just pinning it on the wife’s bad attitude (especially when we aren’t given any details about HOW she got that way or if she was always that way). It sounds like they both have an attitude problem.
Having said all of that, I do believe that a woman should greet her husband with smiles and kisses when he gets home in the evening. And a husband should respond with just as much enthusiasm about seeing his wife. Both a husband and wife are responsible for the amount of love, affection, attention (including listening to one another), and effort that goes into their marriage. The wife isn’t the designated butt-kisser in the relationship. She needs to feel valued and validated too.
This article is directed at women. We women always want to rationalize our way out of personal responsibility, but the fact is that, no matter how much he cares, complaining turns a man off. We need to figure out how to be welcoming and uncritical towards our husbands: that’s the point. Just apply it to yourself as best you can.
My point wasn’t that the concept of the article wasn’t accurate. I agree with the point he was making 100%. I actually LOVE that this subject was addressed after enduring a childhood with a mother who exhibited this kind of behavior regularly. My point was that the example he gave of what he was trying to express was pretty crappy. The guy in the story sounded like kind of a jerk. And if he was always like that rather than his wife pushing him into that behavior (which we do not know), then you do have to address both spouse’s issues. Not just tell the wife she needs to be more affectionate and welcoming and it will magically fix his rude behavior towards her. Because more often than not, this will not work. It’s like a parent spoiling a child who has rotten behavior. Spoiling them will not make them behave better. Neither will berating or nagging them for that matter. As I said in my comments, my own mother was the kind of woman this article was written for. And I had to work hard (though I failed at times) in early marriage not to allow myself to repeat history especially when times were really tough between me and my husband (he struggled with porn and lust). Again, I am not disagreeing with the article. I’m saying the husband in his example doesn’t exactly sound like he treats his wife with much respect either. I get that the article is directed at women, but when you give an example where both spouses are acting like giant children, then I think it’s only fair to address the poor behavior of both parties even while emphasizing specifically what the woman can do. In the example he makes it sounds like the husband is a poor innocent victim who married a monster.
It is NEVER right for a woman to tear her husband down or nag him to death. Not even if he is a jerk. But if he is in fact a jerk, can he really expect his wife to be falling all over him when he walks through the door? And to make myself clear, I don’t think it’s ok AT ALL for her to start nagging and complaining about him as an alternative.
Hold it, Samantha. “If the wife likes to talk and vent about her day, then the husband should happily listen.” But “A wife shouldn’t bend over backwards to be all chipper and lovey dovey when her husband stares off into space like a lifeless zombie whenever she tries to have a simple conversation.” Double standard, don’t you think — the husband should always accommodate the wife, but the wife has no such corresponding obligation? Also, in general, when an article is addressed to a specific problem and a specific audience, it’s unhelpful to respond “why aren’t we talking about the bad things men do too?” The simple answer is that it’s not the point of the article.
David J., I didn’t have any problems with the concept of the article. On the contrary. I think it is an issue that needs to be spoken about more often because I do think a lot of women push their husbands away without realizing it. And then I think some wives are just plain abusive to their husbands. The only issue I had was with the example because that husband sounded like he was pushing his wife away just as much. And if both people are pushing each other away, then both sides of the story DO need to be addressed.
And I really don’t see how that is a double standard. On the one hand I’m saying that a man should put forth the effort of listening to his wife because he loves her. And she should do the same for him. But on the other hand I’m saying that the husband can’t expect his wife to not be upset when she tries to talk with him and he tunes her out and doesn’t even TRY to listen. I would expect a man to be upset with his wife if she did the same to him. It would be a double standard if I had said that the man should have to listen to his wife but the wife shouldn’t have to listen to her husband or that the wife could be upset with her husband but the husband couldn’t be upset with his wife. I believe both a husband and a wife should treat one another with equal respect, kindness and love.
And here are my two cents regarding nagging. Nagging is pairing a request with a criticism It isn’t simply asking your spouse to do something. “Our room always looks so terrible because you always leave your dirty laundry on the floor! Stop being so lazy and put your clothes in the hamper!” That’s nagging. “Hey, honey! Can you please put your dirty clothes in the hamper?” That’s a simple request. If you talk to your husband the first way, then yes, you are pushing him away and you need to stop being such a jerk and show your man more love and respect. If you talk to him the second way and he still complains that you are nagging him, then he is a bonafide man-child who needs to grow up. There genuinely are men-children out there who claim their wives nag, when in reality their wives simply ask them to do something around the house. And if she has to ask nicely more than once that still isn’t nagging. That is her having to ask you to do something you should have done the first time because you are an adult, not a 3 year old child who still struggles with following directions. Please note, I’m not being hard on all men here. I’m talking about a certain group just like there is a certain group of women who are actually relentless miserable nags.
nag·ging
ˈnaɡiNG/Submit
adjective
1.
(of a person) constantly harassing someone to do something.
“a nagging person”
2.
persistently painful or worrying.
“a nagging pain”
This is what I got when I googled the definition. It looks like you’re trying to slant the meaning for your own benefit. “Yes, I asked more than once, but I asked nicely, so it’s not nagging (no matter how he perceives it)!” Calling your husband a man-child and trying to make him obey you is never going to make him grow up. (You are NOT his mother.) Much better to do as God told us and “win him without a word” (1 Peter 3:1-6), with your sweetness and servant-heart. It is not easy, and it is not immediate, but it is the right thing to do and much more likely to work in the end.
For the record, I am not complaining about my own husband. My husband and I have both worked really hard to be better people for the sake of each other, the marriage as a whole, and our personal relationships with God. He is a real man. Not a man-child in the slightest and I am incredibly proud of him for that. We worked together to help each other become better people. My husband is freaking AWESOME. And it’s not because I did anything to make him that way (though I will admit I do give the man a lot of love). He allowed God to make him that way.
But the fact of the matter is that there are husbands out there who do act like children just as there are wives who act like nagging mothers. My point was that both behaviors are totally and without exception WRONG.
I grew up with a mother who was a nag. Her asking us to do something more than once wouldn’t have been nagging in my book. Calling us lazy or useless while telling us twice is what I consider nagging. That is harassing. My definition may not be dictionary worthy, and I willingly acknowledge that. It is a definition I aquired through life experience. A person asking nicely for another person to please do something is not extreme enough to warrant the title of “nagging” in my book. But the person who willfully ignores that other person’s request is (without exception) being inconsiderate and rude. A person who simply forgets or gets sidetracked will not usually get all bent out of shape about being asked a second time. They will usually say, “oh shoot I forgot! I’ll do it now.”
There are plenty of women out there who are guilty of EXTREME nagging. The kind that does push the other person away. The only point I was trying to make is that simply being asked to do something is not nagging.
I’m depressed just reading your comments. So clearly this man has a point. The goal is for you to take responsibility for your own actions which was what he was addressing. He was not addressing your husband. Also, a healthy relationship is like eating right or losing weight. It takes forever to see results and you have to make a lot of small, difficult, everyday decisions that aren’t usually fun if you want it to add up to something great. You don’t eat one salad, give a half-hearted squat and Bam! Instagram worthy body! So why should you expect that from a marriage? There’s no quick fix to a marriage and a thankful attitude that focuses more on good than bad can help push you in the right direction. Your body will always have flaws, so will your marriage. You do what you can and learn to appreciate the way it makes you unique and grows you. So take this with a good hard look at yourSELF, not your husband, and pray to the Lord if there’s any truth to it in your life, then pray about the husband you can’t change…and maybe someday you’ll look back and realize it was you who needed the changing….I speak from experience.
Very true article. Took years of frustration before I ever wondered if my frustration (which I gave voice to in no uncertain terms ) was pushing him away. It’s a hard thing when you’re in it. On one hand you want him to want you. You’re yelling at him for not wanting you and that pushes him off. You dream of him coming home and taking you in his arms for a passionate kiss, but then he walks in the door and you haven’t fixed up and instead of that big warm smile the author mentions you’re going, “hi. Oh my gosh my day was so stressful, oh, can you change the baby I have to turn the soup down, oh the repairman is coming over soon, man I wish you could repair stuff like my dad did, etc….” he hasn’t even gotten his shoes off yet from work….and before women on here start yelling “sexist” at me, I will say this story is mine, and I didn’t take notes from my mom (as I was the new independent woman of modern era- whatever!) that a woman DOES set the tone of a home, and wow was she right to drop everything, put her lipstick on, and greet my dad with a smile and a kiss at the door EVERY day of their life the whole time I grew up.
Fast forward through a decade of my husband and I figuring out this whole thing (and we have a WAYS to go)….I come home yesterday from crazy Saturday errands, it’s already dinner with no food ready (my fault as I was late and I was supposed to make something I had really wanted to), and loads of groceries for eight people, and I was totally exhausted as we’re moving houses and life is insane right now. I came home and wondered what the man in my house did with my husband: all the boxes were neatly put in garage for the move next week, house was vacuumed, kids happy. He had gotten up and cleaned the vent grates in the ceilings and the oven, had cleaned our bathroom (!!!!),done the whole yard trimmings (and this is with a herniated disc in his back needing surgery)- and he was calmly slicing onions for my soup. My mouth fell open as I looked around and I just threw my arms around him and said “thank you” over and over. Things weren’t always like this!!!!! These are choices, choices to work every day on marriage.
Women, it starts with our mouths and attitudes a lot of times. I was abusing my husband for years by venting my constant frustration and anger and then demanding he turn around and adore me in the bedroom! I would yell at him for not wanting a beautiful healthy woman! Something MUST be wrong with him. He is a male he was supposed to want it no matter what I did. And hey I was a great wife objectively. But —-his feelings are equal to yours and his needs equal to yours. Media warps this as well, in so many chickflicks SHE can treat the man like S*** , ,change her mind, be moody, be angry and he still madly wants her. HELLO! No!
Ok, off I go, thanks so much for this week Sheila!
I made some comments that were really taken the wrong way and I just want to take a moment to say that I don’t disagree with the article as a whole AT ALL! I actually totally agree with it. I couldn’t agree more. The only thing I didn’t like was the example because quite frankly the husband sounded like he was doing plenty to push his wife away too. He sounded really rude and inconsiderate. And saying that does not mean that I am condoning the way his wife responded and treated him. Because saying that you’re going to end the entire marriage because he won’t initiate sex (refusing to have sex at all with no cause would be a different story), is kind of insane and crazy manipulative. The woman in this story is clearly way out of line. I just felt that it wasn’t right to paint the husband as the innocent victim who just needs more hugs and kisses and smiles. He clearly needs to work on listening to his wife and being more considerate. If, for him to do that, she needs to be more concise and focus on more positives than negatives when it comes to her day, then she should absolutely do that. But he should be willing to listen to her talk. It isn’t right to shut a person out when they talk. I could understand completely if he just did it when she was berating him. But if he’s doing it when she simply wants to talk, then that’s really rude and there is no good excuse for it. That’s all I was trying to say.
Again, I totally agree with the message behind this article.
Just wanted to say sorry for not chiming in and moderating better! We’re in the middle of a long holiday weekend and I’ve been having fun with the family and wasn’t really online yesterday! But it looks like this was handled quite well.
I do see what you’re saying, too, Samantha. I think we tend to read things through our own lenses. I know women who have pushed their husbands away and really pushed them into ED. I also know men who have blamed their wives for all of their problems. The important question, I think, is always to ask: am I doing all I can here? Am I treating my spouse with love? Am I acting in such a way that I’m inadvertently pushing them away? And if you can look at that and say, “yep, I’m acting well,” then you’re fine. But for some of us, God may be prompting a change. That’s all.
Totally agree with that! And I think those are awesome questions that we all need to ask from time to time just to keep ourselves in check and our marriage healthy.
Thanks for the response! You don’t need to be sorry at all for enjoying your family and your weekend together! Enjoy the rest of it!
Samantha, i love your passion. And i think your suggestion of a timer is awesome. I think my wife and i could use a Chess timer to assist our conversations. My guess is though that limiting her speaking time would make her mad.
Lol! Marriage is an equal partnership until it’s time to actually make it equal!
Another question to add, if I may, Sheila, to your array is: “Am I being self-*less* or self-*ish*?” It took me a long time to come to a few realizations in myself, which included that a) I do have some natural ‘giver’ inclinations, and b) I was being a selfish jerk. There were plenty of times I would come home after a long day and a longer commute, and craved what the subject of the story wanted—to be welcomed by a smiley wife who greeted me at the door and so on. In short, I wanted to come home and be taken care of—for HER to take care of ME.
I came to realize that this discounted whatever kind of day she may have had—that her day may have been just as tough and draining and that she wasn’t in a headspace to care for me because she needed caring for too.
After reflection, prayer and studying up, I recalibrated. I nurtured my giver tendencies. I now come home with thoughts about what’s best for US when I walk thru the door—what can I do to care for the partnership. And it’s usually manifest in my asking the questions, “What do you need? How can I help?”
I can’t lie—there are times that, after a long day, the last thing I want to do is scrub the pots. But then I think, the last thing she probably wanted to do was cook us a meal in those pots after a long day. And I find a joy and solace in knowing that doing the pots is good for US—an us made up of her and me. And during that time while she’s mostly cooking, and following when I’m doing mostly cleaning, we’re talking, sharing, confessing, maybe even dreaming a little.
Good advice about taking responsibility for your internal “garbage”. I can confirm perceiving that the person you love most in the world respects and holds just about everybody else as better than you, destroys desire. We are not machines able to switch on and perform on demand, despite the cultural perceptions. This will kill the relationship and then the marriage eventually.
I think it all depends on the situation. If both work outside the home , both should divvy up household duties. If the wife is home all day, especially if the kids have flown the coop, l don’t see any reason for him to be expected to much in the way of housecleaning other than the physical maintenance of the home and yard work.
Being made to feel unwelcome is a huge libido killer. Even saying “let’s just take care of you” sounds as like a chore, like doing the dishes or taking out the trash. It doesn’t help that she has also let herself go, making everything much harder to reach. I truly miss the intimacy. I hope the friendship keeps us together. That’s all there is now. Too bad we’re only in our 50’s.
It most certainly can.
I was 31 before I got married. I could take care of myself. I could (can, really for all of these) cook, clean, shop, do laundry, and any other household chore before I was 18 as I grew up in an single parent home. Now I may not have known that I was doing life wrong by not having pillow shams and dust ruffles, but my first wife set me straight on that, LOL.
The problem is, when someone nags, and I know the difference between nagging and making a respectful request, it wears away at me, and I’m sure I’m not alone.
That scripture is lived out, it is better to be on the corner of your homes roof than to be with a contentious wife. Enough nagging and as described, withdrawal.
As it piles on, it takes less and less. So if I can drive us 300 miles from home for a weekend away, without drama. No near misses or any other scares, and then she’s using “that” voice “asking” you are going to part here? I can just tell you, it doesn’t set the mood for a romantic weekend. I might just want to let you carry your own luggage into the hotel, B&B or whatever.
If you are going to be critical of that little thing, what are my odds of getting it right with respect to romance, or initiating sex, or some gesture?
You are training me that I shouldn’t try to anticipate and initiate as you don’t even trust my judgment regarding where I’m parking the car.
Why not say, “Hey, thanks for driving and letting me read and ignore you for the past 5 hours….”
Don’t worry, I found a podcast I could listen to while I drove for us…
Criticism is a wet blanket for relationships. If you want your husband to just go passive and not be engaged, keep being critical and ignoring him. Soon enough, he’ll go away.
For bonus points, when he does help out, tell him his contributions such as doing laundry, or mowing the lawn, or changing the oil in your car don’t count because he enjoys them.
He’ll love hearing how what he doesn’t really doesn’t count in your calculus.
Clearly these men are too sensitive and lack the ability to take personal responsibility for their own shortcomings in their marriages.