Celebrating Christmas, when you are estranged from important people in your life, is very hard.
I have a dear friend who is currently not speaking to siblings. The rift was their decision, not hers, taken because she stood up for something on principle (and she was in the right). She did not want to lose the relationship over it, but their family demands complete lockstep conformity or they see it as disloyal. They don’t like legitimate boundaries, which she was attempting to practice. And so now she is banished, and she misses them very much.
Christmas is just so sad when people you love won’t speak to you!
Recently I received this question from a reader:
Since I was 18 years old, I have been setting boundaries with my own mother. Now, in my 40s, I am still setting boundaries with her- she is in her 80s. I was the baby of 4, unexpected, and after my father abandoned the family I became the surrogate spouse.
I am several years into my second marriage. He is wonderful to me and loves my children as his own. Shortly after I began dating my husband, my mother became paranoid. She would warn me, saying he was not a good man, trustworthy, and when that didn’t work, she accused him of being rude and hating her. She wouldn’t even be around him. I discussed this with my siblings who all agree that my mother was wrong.
I prayed and know God put my husband and I together. My mother didn’t come to the wedding and still refuses to acknowledge him. I continued to try to reason with her and asked for counseling (our pastor supports me drawing boundaries with her). My mother lives within 30 minutes of me, yet I haven’t been to see her in over a year, and this has been going on for four years.
My family still gathers in my mother’s home for Thanksgiving and Christmas. Every holiday season I fight depression and despair from missing my family, but not just because of my mother. My siblings have not stood in the gap for me. I swing back and forth from sadness to anger. Am I expecting too much for my family to stand for what is right?
Sheila, I have friends that tell me I should go see my mother. They tell me I should not be consumed with what is right and that I will regret my decision if she passes without reconciling. I continue to pray and ask God what I should do. My husband has given me the go ahead, if I want to go see my mother and family. I have closed my eyes and imagined the scenario. I know I would not be able to contain myself. I would probably cause a scene, much like what Jesus did in the temple- tables with turkey and dressing turned over, cranberry sauce strewn everywhere, and me crying in an unintelligible fit of fury! I do not understand why or what justification my mother and siblings have for being unwelcoming of my husband.
So here I am, asking myself, is it worth it?
Wow, that’s so sad!
First, a few things.
Sometimes family members’ wariness about our husband is right.
I have known so many women who jumped into marriage with a bad guy, when parents and siblings were all telling them that he was bad, but they wouldn’t listen. And then the woman has cut off contact with the family because they won’t support the husband, who all the while is really quite abusive.
So I want to throw that warning out there–sometimes your family’s disapproval is rooted in truth and genuine fear for your safety and well-being.
That being said, I don’t think that is true in this case. When it is true, it’s the husband who tends to want to cut you off from your family, and it’s the family who wants to keep seeing you so that they can keep having influence and keep trying to protect you. In this case, the situation is reversed. In general, I’d say that if you’re married to a man who refuses to let you see your family, that’s often a huge red flag, but in her case, it seems as if the problem really is with the mother (especially since her friends, siblings, and pastor all agree that her husband is safe).
Sometimes, though, our family is just plain crazy, and we need to mourn that.
It sounds like this woman has a crazy family. They are not what she wants them to be. And the reason is this:
In dysfunctional families, loyalty matters more than truth.
In families where parents are parenting out of shame rather than out of sacrificial love, the worst thing you can do is to voice the fact that the family isn’t perfect or that Mom or Dad are doing things that are wrong (or, in my own friends’ case, her siblings). In shame based families, everybody believing that everybody else is perfect is the only option.
In healthy families, people admit mistakes and openly talk about their failings. In shame based families they do not. Everybody must pretend that things are perfect. What this woman is doing, then, is upsetting the apple cart. Her siblings actually agree with her. Yep. Mom is totally nuts. But they’re not willing to stand up for her because they are still trapped in this shame cycle. They can’t go against Mom because then they will lose Mom and they will lose everything the family is. And so they keep trying to keep the peace, and not to rock the boat.
Her siblings’ lack of support is not a reflection on how they feel about her; it is a reflection of their own pain.
I so hope that this woman can understand this: If your siblings have not worked through the wounds in their childhood, then they will have a very difficult time going against Mom. Here’s why: As a child, our most basic need is for our mother’s love and approval. She is the primary person in our life. And early on, we can learn that she only approves of us if we don’t rock the boat and if we agree that everything is perfect (even when it’s not). That means that we never, as a child, truly experienced the acceptance and love we so desperately needed, because Mom only accepted us if we covered up what we truly thought. We can never truly be ourselves and still have Mom love us. That leaves us with a huge unmet need. And until that need is met, we will continue to seek it. It will be one of our #1 emotional motivators, even if we are completely oblivious to the fact. To go against Mom means giving up the possibility of meeting this need.
Now, if one realizes what is happening and turns to God to heal that hurt, then we can get out of this cycle. But if we never realize the root of our hurts or unhealthy behaviours, then we’ll still be acting as if we’re that little child, just wanting Mommy to tell us that we’re good enough, just as we are. And that leaves such a huge hole in our psyche that we’ll seek out that approval, even in unhealthy ways (that’s also why many daughters of absent or abusive fathers marry men who are absent or abusive; they’re unconsciously recreating their childhood so they can fix it. It doesn’t work).
Her siblings are likely in this cycle, and no matter how much they love their sister, they can’t go against Mom because she is the primary person whose affection they are still trying to earn.
To our letter writer, I would just say this: It is not that your siblings love your mom more than they do you; it is that in some ways they are likely still emotionally stuck as little children, trying to earn their mother’s approval. They may very well love you more, but emotionally they need her love more. And I hope that helps you feel sympathy for them more than rejection.
But now: What do you do? Do you reconcile with your mother?
I honestly don’t know. Like I said to the woman who asked the reader question on Thursday about confronting her husband before Christmas, logic alone can’t always dictate what we should do. That’s when we really need to hear from God, because I do believe it is different in different cases.
I would say this, though: You can still have a one-on-one relationship with your mother and a one-on-one relationship with siblings without going to family events. A family event is one where your husband should be included. If your mother will not include your husband, then you can stay away.
However, if you want to have lunch with your mother every once in a while, you could do that. You could tell her very clearly that if she says anything bad about your husband you will leave, but beyond that you could still talk to her. Personally, I wouldn’t have her in my house if she rejected my spouse, but you could meet on neutral ground.
It’s also okay to be the one to offer the olive branch. My friend who is reeling from her estrangement is thinking of sending Christmas cards to her siblings that say, “Even though I’m not part of your life, I think and pray for you everyday.” That’s her doing the right thing, even if they don’t. And then it’s up to them whether they resume contact.
So, in short, I don’t know what you should do. I don’t know if you should start seeing your mom or not; you’ll have to pray about that. I do think that taking the high road is usually the right course of action. Nevertheless, staying away from family events unless your husband is included sounds like a pretty good boundary to me.
And I’m so, so sorry that you’re going through this at Christmas!
What do the rest of you think? Have any of you been estranged from relatives? And how do you handle that with your children? Let’s talk in the comments!
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I recently went through a difficult situation-emotionally and physically where some very serious boundaries were crossed, and after sharing (all the gory details) with my husband, he informed me that I could confront that person via text or with him present. But not alone.
You see, he knew that my default setting is peacemaking. Unless I’m really careful, I’m a peacemaker at all costs, even when the cost is personally against me. In the past, I would rather take all the blame to smooth over a relationship, than to make someone else feel bad.
But that is not right. As Sheila said, (when I do that) at some level I’ve not dealt with the emotional struggles of a little child always wanting to please. And that is what I have been learning this year. I have to set boundaries that protect me and my family. I need to be truthful and kind…but never as a detriment to me.
So how did the confrontation go? I got a measly “I’m sorry”. But I accepted it. That person will never speak to me again, and I was promptly defriended on facebook. But in all reality, I gained so much more. I gained courage and bravery, I realized I could be kind and firm. I found my voice (although a bit wobbly) And lastly I gained a greater respect for my husband. He protected me from hurting myself, and that is what I will treasure.
❤️
I wanted my comment to be just the ❤️ but it can’t be lol (says it’s too short).
I think that is an amazing story!!! And as for the hurtful person that unfriended you? I always just chuckle and breathe a sigh of relief.
Way to go, Johanna! That’s amazing!
I also think that people pleasing can be partly personality, and partly our childhood hurts. My youngest daughter is quite the people pleaser, but she didn’t go through a lot of hurts as a child. That’s just her personality. So I can only imagine what she’d be like in a really dysfunctional family (we’re all a LITTLE dysfunctional, but in a seriously bad one? Yikes!)
This is really very difficult. I haven’t really had this experience but you know your mom well. Follow your heart. I believe your husband is sweet and loves you very much because he doesn’t add up to your depression.
I also have been banished from my family. The closer to Christmas comes the less sleep I get my anxiety is so high. I’m sometimes surprised by the pain when some time passes and I think I’m ok. Then a holiday or an event when my family gets together,comes around, and I’m not included. I have to fight the sadness. My siblings have been very unkind and abusive. You would think I would be relived. Amazing how painful being banished is. Even when it’s the healthiest thing for my own children and family. Thank you for this blogpost. Hearing others stories and your advice has made me feel a little less alone.
Oh, I’m glad it could help, Anita, but I’m so sorry that you’re so alone. I pray that you’ll have a wonderful time this year with your own nuclear family, even if your larger family never understands.
We have had to put up strong boundaries on both sides of our families over the course of our marriage and it can make it lonely. My own mother was a teen mom and our roles have been reversed for much of my life. My siblings live provinces away and have continued the cycle as teen parents living with drug and alcohol addictions, mental illnesses , etc. Sometimes it can feel like we are on our own in this life, without a family support system, but I remind myself that I am adopted into the family of God. Over the years it has gotten easier to stand our ground, and some relationships have gotten easier, though I would say there are always boundaries in those relationships to keep it from falling into the toxic territory which can happen fast. Sad to say but part of us are just used to having family members mad at us for ourboundaries. But I do feel it is necessary to protect my marriage and keep it strong, and to protect my children.
It is hard, isn’t it, Ashley? It sounds like you’ve made good choices to break the cycle, but I’m sure it’s very lonely this time of year!
Wow, this is so similar to my situation!
This Christmas will be a hard one for my husband and I as well so you are not alone!
My parents have stopped talking to me because I voiced my opinions and hurt feelings to them. They couldn’t handle hit and then turned it around and blamed me for everything. They also attacked my husband and said that he makes everything worse. I am trying to reach out to them so that we can heal this and move on but they do not want to talk to us. I struggle with feelings of guilt and shame for speaking up but at the same time I also know deep down that it’s right. It just gets so confusing at times what is right and wrong because of the guilt that I feel. Because my parents dont want to talk or see me I can never see my siblings who are all still home, I miss them terribly. Sadly, they do not see the issue because the unhealthy way of doing life at home is ‘normal’ for them right now. It just hurts to see other families getting together and making plans.
Oh, Kate, I’m sorry, and I’m especially sorry that you can’t see your siblings! Can you reach out to them on social media or anything?
Families definitely do value loyalty, and they often interpret any attempt to think differently as an attack. That’s the sign of a very dysfunctional family. I’m sorry that your parents are doing this, but that’s on them, not you. I pray that you can have some contact with your siblings, though.
Well, it is December 18, and today my Dad verbally abused my teen daughter. Which he does on a regular basis. I spent half of the day trying to console her. Sooo, right now it’s me (and her and also her little sister who was there) who do not want to talk to him. My husband is on the business trip and won’t be here fir Christmas to protect us. Problem is, we are Christians, and my parents are not, for many years we’ve been doing Christmas for the kids and for our parents to tell them about Christ. I guess, I need to calm down and think and pray hard. Hope we can still do Christmas, but how do you put boarders for a emotionally abusive grandpa who lives next door?! Any advice?
Thank you,
Eka (Russia)
Oh, Eka, that’s so tough! I’m sorry your husband isn’t there, too. I think that if your dad is verbally abusing the kids, it’s okay to keep the kids away from him. If you want to reach out at Christmas, you could do that alone. Bring over some cookies, tell them you love them, but right now you need to keep a safe distance for your kids’ sake.
You know, just because people aren’t Christian doesn’t mean that we owe them something big in the name of being a good witness. What I’ve often found anyway is that family members who aren’t Christian rarely become Christian because of us. It’s usually someone else. It’s very hard to lead your own family to Christ.
What I often pray is that someone else will come into their lives who will really talk to them. So we can be the silent witness, but we don’t do the heavy lifting because they wouldn’t listen to us. But at the same time, I figure there are tons of other Christians out there praying the same prayer. And if I want them to be the person to talk to my family member, then I pray that I can be that person for someone else’s family member.
But you don’t need to put up with abuse in the name of being a witness. You really don’t.
Even Christ Himself had trouble getting His family and friends to believe!
Yes, He sure did!
O, my goodness! That very first paragraph is a mirror image of what I have gone through with my siblings. ***I even had one of my siblings tell me out right that they will never ask my forgiveness for anything ever again.***
That happened back in Christmas of 2011 through early half of 2012 – all documented in emails. Right after the email exchange drew to a close, my parents discovered Leslie Vernick and I found Dr. Henry Cloud … both of which saved our sanity during those dark days that followed.
So, as a result, I haven’t seen my siblings since Christmas 2010. Boundaries are a life-saver … literally!
My husbands former wife, an Episcopal priest, had earned a reputation for being ambitious, scheming and often cruel – according to friends in her parishes and others among my husbands former Presbyterian congregations. Approaching fifty, having been called as a full rector, his former wife cultivated an intimate relationship with a younger, highly paid married lawyer on her vestry: private dinners, off site church work, marital counseling, etc. She initiated the divorce, leaving the parish at the same time as this younger paramour with a wife and two young boys. Battling to keep her collar, we gather, she scapegoated her then husband (now my spouse) in hearings with the Bishop, who turned a blind eye, never calling my husband for statements. Their children nearing adulthood were immediately drawn into a vicious loyalty battle — to create a myth around their mother’s “untainted” reputation, entirely at their fathers’s expense, on whom the blame was laid for the divorce. She controlled, it seemed, their every thought and action on the matter as well as frequency,or lack thereof, of their visits and attitudes on arrival. Reduced to two-hour visits at Christmas by 2009, they arrived with such slings and arrows that we finally put up boundaries, asking that they examine their beliefs and write them down and discuss them with their father before we attempted another visit. They refused. We have not seen them since.
I just want to offer this person a hug from someone who is also estranged from family.
You grow believing from a young age that family is forever and that only death will separate you from them. You know there will also be other people like that in your life but you haven’t found them yet and then your world will be complete. Unfortunately that’s not true when you are family with toxic people. There comes a time when you start to see how behaviors affect you and the type of person you turn into around them and you have to make a choice: you either keep up with the same cycle and ignore everything OR you approach them differently because you understand what you need (and how it affects both your sanity, marriage and children). You expect that they are human beings who want to be better and LOVE you (like you do) and so you expect some growing pains but change to happen. And when it doesn’t, it’s a hard pill to swallow. It’s hard to accept because you want it to be different and yet you understand that they AREN’T capable. BUT you also aren’t willing to accept the same behavior so the choice is no different than what you would do if if were a toxic friend, but it hurts more deeply because you have to mourn people who are alive.
(Part 1)
From someone who knows how you feel, because I have been estranged from my own family for 7 years now, you will get to a place where it’s easier. It doesn’t sting as much but you will experience waves of your own feelings and probably waves of crazy from their end. When that happens, do not react unless your in danger obviously. No reaction from their posionous behavior says more volume than you know. Pick people who you can trust to talk about it with or journal out your feelings when they immerge, but be picky on who you boarch the subject with. It’s a hard thing for most people to understand unless they’ve been there.
As for what Sheila said, she is right loyality will always matter MORE than being in your life. You’ve shown you can’t be trusted and going back will mean that you will be expected to tolerate a lot more negative behavior on their end as your feelings will NEVER matter. (I mean that; they will never acknowledge your feelings even if you acknowledge theirs.)
(Part 2)
Some people will acknowledge your feelings but with really toxic families it’s not going to happen.
I know the whole loyalty thing first hand. My own (estranged) family, who helped me with I was a single mom (never married thankfully) and dealing with an abusive relationship, now spends time with my son when he is with my ex. Yes, you read that right, because I broke loyalty and in their eyes, all is forgiven due to his loyality, they spend time with my oldest son through my abusive ex. (My two other sons they don’t see).
I make the most of the family I have from my husband’s side during the holidays, focus on making my own family traditions and take note of the things I can be grateful for.
In general I making sure I am not repeating the same behaviors they do. I focus on the positive lessons it’s brought me and send them prayers when emotions stir. I got to the point where I am actually grateful that it is the case since my children will never be around them and I will not have to lower myself to be around them. Your worth more than being loyality and deserve love and respect, remember that.
I have been out casted by my family. They all think I’m horrible person. Every time I try to get in touch with them…no response. I’m really devastated. I have no family now because this is the new normal. It’s extremely painful. I just wanted to share with others outside my family how I feel.